August 19th - Liberidiot Day of Reckoning  

Saturday, August 19, 2006

It was a year ago that Freder_Frederson predicted his doom-and-gloom scenario for Iraq. A few days later, I called him on it.

If you want to check out a few updates that were posted along the way you can find them here (8/26/05), here (7/27/06), here (7/28/06), here (8/7/06), and here (8/9/06).

So what exactly is the situation in Iraq today?

Well, as of the moment I'm typing this post, It's 109F in Baghdad (feels like 113) with fair skies and 8mph winds out of the northwest. Pretty hot, but for that area, I guess it would be considered a pretty nice day.

CENTCOM's site is quiet with regard to "civil war", but things are far from perfect. Still, it's statistically safer to walk the streets of Baghdad than it is to walk the streets of our own nation's capital. Reports from ArmyBryan are still forthcoming. In a recent email correspondence, Omar at Iraq the Model had this to say with regard to whether or not the situation there is, in fact, a civil war:

I will call it a foreign intervention from regional powers aiming at sparking a huge civil war.

We're not there yet but we will if those foreign hands are not chopped and taken off Iraq asap.

Omar.
www.iraqthemodel.blogspot.com
In other words, no civil war (as of ten days ago). I doubt much has changed since then. Furthermore, a post just this past Tuesday by Omar suggests that the political factions in Iraq seem to be working together in at least some spirit of mutual respect. Check this out:
BAGHDAD, Iraq - The head of the main Sunni bloc in parliament called Tuesday for the Sunni speaker of parliament to step down to help the stability of the unity government after Shiite and Kurdish parties insisted on his removal.(quoted from Yahoo/AP by Omar)
So the Sunni leadership called for its own speaker's resignation. Why? Because the Shi'ites and Kurds wanted it. That's not at all indicative of a civil war, my friends. In fact, it's more cooperation among parties than we get in Washington!

Am I saying that civil war cannot break out in Iraq? Am I saying it can't happen in the near future? No and no. It is clear that the Iraqis have a lot of work to do in bringing themselves together in the proper spirit of freedom. They have a lot to learn about being free. After all, many of them have never tasted freedom before.

Still, anyone who had any faith at all in the Iraqis would have known that they are basically good people. Good people don't just rush to war with each other, especially when they have 30 years of being oppressed by a ruthless animal in common. Maybe the problem with our liberal friends is that they have had too little faith in the Iraqi people and too much faith in Saddam. Something to think about. Anyway ...

It may not even be the end of the world if a civil war does break out. The natural yearning of the human spirit is to be free. Therefore, freedom always wins in the end. Having to win a war against the terrorists and their supporters will bring a greater appreciation of freedom to those who will have won it.

Make no mistake about it, the situation in Iraq is not all rosy and sweet, but to call the situation a "civil war" when CENTCOM doesn't, US Intelligence officers don't, and people living in Baghdad don't is stupid.

From Omar's email, it's pretty easy to see what's going on in Iraq today. FOREIGN terrorists, sponsored by terrorist nations, have entered the country and committed acts of terrorism in an effort to (1.) confront American presence for the purpose of attempting to stop American efforts to bring freedom to Iraq and (2.) turn Iraqis against one another for the purpose of getting them to blame one another for the terrorists' deeds and bring about that civil war that Freder so desperately wants.

Their ultimate goal is the same as for all of their activities - get Iraqis (and the rest of the world) to live under their oppressive Islamofascist worldview, by force, if necessary, and kill anyone who refuses or resists.

I should have insisted on that steak dinner. Oh well. Ruth's Chris is probably a little pricy for Freder anyway.

Expect an update when I hear from Bryan.

RWR

Update: Audio updated today as well.



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I don't think Freder wants a civil war, or any war at all. You just twisted his words around to say what you embellish upon his beliefs.

While I appreciate your thoroughness in reporting your version of the stories, I take exception to your blaming of the liberals for everything that goes wrong all the time. How can it possibly be us when the republicans have control of the House, Senate, and White House? Please enlighten me.

p.s. If Freder has reneged on the bet, that's totally not cool. You clearly won that one... for now.

2006-08-21T00:21:37
I don't think Freder wants a civil war, or any war at all. You just twisted his words around to say what you embellish upon his beliefs.

Of course Freder doesn't want a war. No one does. He simply refused to have faith in the Iraqi people and in our soldiers and promised us this awful civil war WITHIN ONE YEAR. It didn't happen. He loses.

I take exception to your blaming of the liberals for everything that goes wrong all the time. How can it possibly be us when the republicans have control of the House, Senate, and White House? Please enlighten me.

Here's your enlightenment, Doug. How can it be said that a house, senate, and president that consistently bring us things like record socialist spending, NCLB, amnesty for illegals, etc. are anything but liberals?

You make a huge mistake when you assume that to be a Republican is to be a conservative. If you want to see what conservatives believe, keep coming here and to those places listed in the RWRmy and BLogRWRoll sections on my left sidebar. I highly recommend RightWingNews and Ol' BC for thoughtful commentary, and the Rottie or Moonbat Monitor if you can handle some vitriol. MM, like me, is also good for a rant every now and then. In fact, I would venture that he has gotten to the point where he is better than I at that. Also don't forget that even a hard-nosed conservative has some liberal beliefs, just as the most hard-nosed liberal has some conservative beliefs. Those who are fair-minded admit when their opinion differs and post/comment accordingly.

Remember, I did not say that a civil war in Iraq could never happen. I simply took the position that the Iraqis and our troops were good and thoughtful enough to be able keep that from happening for a longer period of time than one year. Even Omar fears that it may happen at some point.

It's all going to hinge on the Iraqis' ability to stand up to the terrorists that Iran, Syria, and others are sending there to ruffle their feathers. It's clear that the terrorists are trying to get the Iraqi factions to blame one another for the terrorists' mayhem.

I do hope that they continue to recognize that the threat is coming from the outside and not the inside. That's the biggest thing they have going for them right now. That and our support.

Since this is the first time I recall seeing a comment from you, please allow me this opportunity to welcome you to the RWRepublic. Based on your comment, you seem pretty fair-minded. Most of the libs we get here are idiots, so if you are always this fair, please keep coming around. Having a friendly liberal who's willing to think things through around here would be awesome. Just don't feel too bad if you get ClueBatted ... it's always in good fun, I promise.

RWR

2006-08-21T04:39:08
Oh ... I never intended to hold him to it. My taste in steak dinners is way too expensive ... HAHAHA

RWR

2006-08-21T04:39:58
Thank God you differentiated conservatives and Republicans for Doug. There is some confusion on that point, particularly among those who tend to lean leftward. (Those would be called "centrists" in the MSM)

2006-08-21T17:43:03
Well, I can't argue that there has been very liberal spending of our (taxpayers') money these past five years (heh! heh! I actually typed tears - who was it that said 'nothing is an accident'?). Maybe you are the one who has finally shown me the difference between a neo-con and a true conservative. The spending habits. Though they spend way too freely, their agenda is very conservative.

I used to live in Minnesota where Jesse Ventura was governor. He must have been the cheapest man ever to serve as governor there because he wouldn't spend on sh*t. The upside, evertime there was a surplus (3 out of 4 years, I believe), every tax payer in the state received a check. I still received two checks after I moved to San Diego. Actions speak louder than words, don't they? Unfortunately, the media only focused on his words.

As to a civil war in Iraq, we can only hope not. Enough people have died there already.

I appreciate the level of thought you obviously put into your posts, and I really appreciate seeing the sources listed. Yours is the first "right side of the fence" blog I have visited that actually does that. I just started blogging less than a month ago, and I have been digging it,but my blog is not as organized as yours, but do feel free to stop by and comment or rouse the lefty's who normally come around mine, they need it once in a while and I think it's always good to hear multiple perspectives.

2006-08-22T04:10:46
Enough people have died there already.

Freedom isn't free. It comes at a very high price in money and blood. This war has thus far cost very little when compared to previous wars that we've been called upon to fight in defense of freedom, so please don't consider it insensitive if I say that the above statement is wrong. The price of freedom is much higher than what has been paid in the War on Terror so far, and that goes for the price in dollars as well as blood.

RWR

2006-08-23T00:58:36
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armybryan · 589 weeks ago

So, FF loses again. Isn't his record almost as dismal as Kos's? There is no civil war in Iraq, the IDF is much improved from a year ago, although they still have a long way to go to measure up to our standards, but things are getting better, albeit somewhat unevenly. I talk with guys on the ground daily and read there reports, so this is first hand info I get. Sorry it took so long to post, but I am busy with an exercise in Korea right now.

2006-08-24T01:20:17

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